Trump and his ban on Muslims!!

Truble is bubbadog no bodyelse goes around doing what some of them are doing today
there where groups way back cant remember all there names that was bad enough but it was never about religion
muslems do it in the name of there religon also they then want sharria law in the countries they live in
Where are they all when things happing in the name of there religion
Inmaging ppl doing it in the name of christianty hinuisom judisum buddisom and so on to day
there would be an outcry and prostest on the street and rightly so
There is also a lot of nastieness abou the jews where are all the ppl if you stick up for one religion then ppl should stick up for all of them xxx

Where I live there is a mixing pot of different races, I mean a mega mix!! We have Polish, Indian, Chinese, Slovakian, Jamaican and many more! All have different religions so need different church's and mosques. But we hardly no problems. So why is it Trump seems to stir up trouble?

I dont know the mind of president trump
As I dont live in America the members here can prahaps explain as it is there country
I can only say about the uk and europe there is a lot of problems now about refugees and migrants
I dont know all the rights and wrongs of refuges and migrants coming over to europe
there is a lot of resentment about them and the free movement of ppl in europe
europe has started to see the rise of the fareleft and fareright in there countries
I dont have a solusion to it all bubbadog14 xx

To try to bring some clarity on the subject of this forum, I should like to make some factual (rather than emotional) statements.

A) The purpose of the executive order:
"The United States cannot, and should not, admit those who do not support the Constitution, or those who would place violent ideologies over American law. In addition, the United States should not admit those who engage in acts of bigotry or hatred (including “honor” killings, other forms of violence against women, or the persecution of those who practice religions different from their own) or those who would oppress Americans of any race, gender, or sexual orientation."

Posts in this forum include some incorrect and irrelevant comments, examples being:
1 "he is putting a ban on all Muslims! "
2 "You have to admit President Trump seems to have it in for Muslims and Mexicans!!
3" Where I live there is a mixing pot of different races..........We have Polish, Indian, Chinese, Slovakian, Jamaican and many more! .......... But we hardly no problems. "

C) In regard to comment B1 above, it should be noted that, in the executive order, there is not one reference to Muslims.

D) In regard to commemts B2 and B3 above, it should be noted that the executive order bars all people hailing from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen from entering the United States. Those countries were named in a 2016 law concerning immigration visas as “countries of concern". This law was introduced before Mr Trump was elected. The order does not cover the generic groups; muslims, Mexicans, Poles, Indian, Chinese, Slovakian or Jamaican.

Hmm, I probably get shouldn't started, but I'll try to keep my views simple!?
I like everyone, as long as they're good people who don't hurt anyone else!
I don't care where they are from, what they look like, or what they believe in!
I'm an atheist, but I don't have a problem with religion if people don't use it as an excuse to hurt others!
I've known many lovely Muslim people and I will always defend them, the terrorists are not Muslims, they are fanatics who pretend to be Muslims and make it bad for others!
As far as Trump goes, he's obviously a hate filled, bigoted megalomaniac who truly believes that he has the right to do whatever he wants and he is going to cause a lot of problems!?
We have a female version of him here in Australia, named Pauline Hanson,she always looks like she's about to blow a blood vessel because she's so full of hate and thinks she's so right!
She's a Trump supporter, no surprise there, but I am surprised that she's not also a Kim Jong Un supporter!?
Anyway, I have a msg to all of the gun crazy maniacs who love shooting people, WHY do you always shoot the wrong people!?
John F Kennedy, Martin Luther King, John Lennon (come on, his music wasn't THAT bad!?) school kids, people in the street, Gay people enjoying themselves dancing in a club!?
If you want to shoot someone, shoot someone who deserves it!
Trump, Hanson, Kim, there's 3 for you, GO for it!
I would if I could, I'm a gentle person, but to me, if we want the world to be civilized, then we need to get rid of the people who aren't!
We are too lenient in this country, we need to be tougher on criminals, don't get me wrong, all cases should be judged on their own merits, but there are many cases where the B*stards should be gotten rid of, for the safety of everyone else!
There are too many cases of people being released from jail and going straight out and killing someone!
That should NOT happen, the people responsible for letting these criminals out should be charged as accessories and locked up themselves!
I am all for capital punishment, depending on the case!
I also believe in using these people as 'Guinea pigs'!
Why use innocent, helpless animals and make them suffer, when there are plenty of evil people in jail who could be used and made 'useful', instead of just having free rent and food, paid for by the taxpayers, which includes their victims and victims families!
Ok, I may have gone too far, but that's how I feel!
There is too much suffering in this world, and there doesn't need to be!
The people who have the money and power to change things, don't give a Sh*t!

As I said members have difrent views
We can all get frustrated and angry about things. I do
That is what the debating forum is for to put your views down
glad to see few members joning in x

DongleDave the U.S.A has a gun law that has so many holes in it so it's easy to go out and buy a gun and more deaths by gun where American citizens have killed American citizens than incidents with Immigrants involved. I think President Trump needs to look at changing gun laws before thinking about building walls to keep Mexicans out!!

Totally agree, gun law needs changing, too many teenagers going into school and shooting random people, change what's important. As far as the wall goes Americans must sort that out it's not our business.

I am so sick of Bleeding heart liberals thinking because their the loudest their right!
If you know a bit about history you'd be aware it was mostly Christian who fought and died for this country ! All while elevating Muslims to mythical status!
Christian believe a marriage is between a man and woman In Muslim country's Muslims believe GAY should not live

You have that wrong actually!! Muslims are becoming more open, I know a couple of openly gay Muslims! And there is no upset in his mosque. I don't believe Christians have a problem with Gay people, there are Gay vicar's in the U.K! So why is it the U.S have such a problem ?

Sure Muslims can be openly gay in the United States but how about Saudi Arabia?
If I remember History it was mostly Christian (white) who laid down there life for America in W.W1&2
We owe Muslims nothing yet their the first to claim RELIGIOUS freedom. How many churches in
Saudi Arabia a Muslim majority country? That would be NONE

Okay, I'm probably going to regret getting into a religious debate, but I get so fed up with hearing Crap from people who don't know what they're talking about!
I'm an Atheist, and I know more about religion than most Christians etc, because I actually read and study history and get the facts, unlike religious Nuts who believe whatever rubbish they're told!
To start with, all religion is based on prehistoric superstition and encounters with aliens!
Thousands of years ago, people saw Gods everywhere, the Sun, the Moon, the Wind etc!
When they met alien visitors, they saw them as Gods!
To those who don't believe in Aliens, who are you to assume that your God didn't create life elsewhere!?
If He is all seeing, all knowing and omnipotent, then He could do what ever He wanted!?
There are many artifacts that show proof of Alien visitations, including a painting in the Vatican Archives, that clearly shows a spacecraft flying across the sky with a person in it and flames coming out the back!
Religious Historians have never been able to explain that!
Now, Christianity and Islam are just offshoots of Judaism, and history has been distorted by men to suit themselves!
Everyone interprets the 'Bible' in their own way!
The 'Bible' was written by men, heterosexual, chauvanistic, homophobic men!
'Jesus', if he existed, and I don't dispute that he did, was not the son of God!
He was the son of a 14/15 yo girl and a man old enough to be her father!
They were not legally married, so would have been stoned to death if people knew the truth!
So they said that 'Mary' was pregnant to God!
Now think about this!
If we are all Gods children, that meant that Mary was Gods child, but she was pregnant to Him!?
So that means God was guilty of incest!
'Jesus' real name was 'Yeshua', or something similar, it was Christians who later changed his name to Jesus because they didn't want accept that he was a Jew!
He did not have a last name, 'Christ' comes from the Greek word 'Christos', which means 'annointed one', or something similar!
He was not a tall, white man with long hair!
Anthropologists say he would have been short, dark skinned, with short, probably curly, dark hair!
He would not have had long hair because it was, and still is, against the Jewish religion for men to have long hair!
He was not 'Jesus of Nazareth'!
He was a 'Nazarene!'
The city of Nazareth was not built until well after his death!
He was not born on the 25th of December!
That was the date of a Pagan ritual which celebrated the Earth and nature!
Christians told the Pagans that they couldn't do that anymore, and if they had to celebrate something on that day, then they could celebrate the birth of 'Jesus'!
The catholic Church has been built on lies, thievery and bloodshed!
It is Historical fact that past Popes have openly had sexual r/ships with women and men!
And yet the Vatican has the cheek to vilify Gay people!
But they forgive Paedophile Priests!
Oh Yeah, it's okay for a Priest to molest children, but 2 consenting adults aren't allowed to fall in love!?
If God created us all, then we are the way he created us!?
Which means He created Gay people!
And Bisexual people, and Transgender people, and intersex people!
And people born with 2 heads or 4 arms or whatever!
The "Bible' does not actually condemn Homosexuality, it says that a man should not commit adultery (cheat on his wife) with another man!
It does not say that 2 men who are both same sex attracted cannot be together!
And there is no mention at all of Lesbianism!
But maybe like Queen Victoria, they didn't think Lesbians existed!?
Mind you, Vicky looked like a big. old Lesbo to me!?
Fat, hard faced old Bitch!
There is also no mention in the Bible that 2 men cannot be married!
Lastly I'd like to point out that 'Jesus' lived in a cave with 12 other guys!
And a prostitute!
Either they were all doing her, or they were doing each other and she was their 'Fag Hag!'
Anyway you look at it, religion is the root of all evil, and until people get over all of this primitive, superstitious Crap and stop hating others for stupid reasons, we will never be an intelligent, civilized species!
I'm sick of hearing 'God works in mysteries ways!'
If a child is brutally raped and murdered, people say, 'Oh God loved that child so much he wanted them with Him!'
Really?
God loved that kid so much that he wanted them to be brutally raped and murdered instead of growing up and having a life!?
Yesterday I saw a story about a 6 year old child who saved his cousins from drowning, and the parents of the children said, 'Thank God for saving our children!'
NO! Thank the kid who actually saved them, because God had nothing to do with it!
If God gave a Shit, there would not be children being homeless, or hungry, or being physically or sexually abused or being murdered by their own parents!
I see this in the news every day, and it is Heterosexual parents that are abusing and killing their kids, not Gay parents!
I know a Gay man who has 8 children and several Grandchildren, and they all love him!
These religious Freaks who accuse Gay parents of being bad parents who raise children with problems, need to look at the news and read the statistics!
Young Gay people who commit suicide do so because they have bigoted, hate filled, heterosexual parents who are so afraid of their own sexuality that they can't accept anyone else's!
I wish I had a dollar for every so called 'Straight' guy who has tried to get into my pants!
You so called Straights are pathetic and you are the ones who make a mockery of marriage!
You jump in and out of marriage as though it is a game and love doesn't have to have anything to do with it!
But you don't like the idea of Gay people getting married!
Well neither do I!
I prefer the idea of having a 'Commitment Ceremony' and being 'Life partners'!
It sounds much more important and more permanent!
Just because a man and a woman are married doesn't mean they love each other or are partners!
It's often arranged, or for convenience or some other reason that has nothing to do with love!
And often straight people have kids not because they want them, but simply because they can!
Because they think it is their right!
And then the kids end up in Foster care!
No! Having children is a privilege, not a right, and Gay people understand that!
Anyway, I think I've raved on enough and I hope that people take note of what I've said and think about it!
I would like to see a world where everyone accepts everyone and hatred is a thing of the past!
Gene Roddenberry had that vision, and I hope his vision comes true! But I know it won't, because human beings are stupid, superstitious, suspicious, hate filled creatures who will never learn!
They will always find a reason to hate someone else, no matter how stupid or trivial!